16 – “The Throne in Heaven – Salvation in Symbols & Signs”


We are finished,
finished, finished and just getting started. So we’re finished
with the seven churches, we’ve done the
intro to Revelation, we’ve gone through
the churches of Revelation we set up a good
foundation… that foundation is a repeat and
enlarge, a recapitulation a recapitulation
that we’re going to see in the seals and in the trumpets and now we’re
starting in the seals, now the seals
begin with two chapters, Revelation 4 and Revelation 5 and they’re parallel chapters
so, it’s going to take us at least two…
maybe three meetings to just go through
these first two chapters before we actually
start unsealing the Book… before the Lamb
starts unsealing the Book… and again I just want to remind
us that this Book… Revelation is mysterious, it’s
complicated, it’s challenging, it’s difficult but
it’s going to be easy because everything
we’re about to study we’ve already studied
once in the seven churches and now we’re just going
to see it all over again, there’s going to be some
new stuff in here, of course, but we’re going to go all the
way back to the Apostolic Age, we’re going to see what the
activities were taking place in symbolic language here as Jesus went to
heaven after His resurrection, and how that impacted
the earth, Planet Earth… the outpouring
of the Holy Spirit and how that played out
in the history of the fall all the way down again to
the second coming of Jesus and then boom!
we’re done with the seals and the
trumpets… we start again… at the Apostolic Age… Ivor: So we’re studying
the Book three times over. James: Yes, well four
actually, and the fourth time… it takes us right into…
just like the Laodicean church, right into us… and
events that some have passed but a lot of them are
yet to be played out there, all right, so we’re going
to start with a word of prayer, Jason, pray for us
and we’ll get into it. Jason: Heavenly Father,
it’s an honor and a privilege to be able to study your
Word and we wouldn’t dare do so without asking
you to be with us, so we ask you
for your presence and we ask that you will help us to
comprehend what we’re studying, and to be able
to it and retain it, and repeat it… in
Jesus’ name we pray, amen. ” All: “Amen… ” James: And like we normally do, let’s just read
through the verses first… that gives us an idea of
what we’re going to be covering and maybe Yvonne,
you can start and read one through six
and then maybe Jason, you could read,
seven through eleven. Yvonne: Sure…
“After this I looked, and, behold, a door
was opened in heaven: and the first voice
which I heard was as it were of a trumpet
talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and
I will shew thee things which must be hereafter. And immediately I
was in the spirit; and, behold, a
throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne. And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper
and a sardine stone: and there was a
rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald. And round about the throne
were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw
four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on
their heads crowns of gold. And out of the throne proceeded
lightnings and thunderings and voices: and
there were seven lamps of fire burning
before the throne which are the
seven Spirits of God. And before the throne
there was a sea of glass like unto crystal: and
in the midst of the throne, and round about the
throne, were four beasts full of eyes
before and behind. ” Jason: “And the first
beast was like a lion, and the second
beast like a calf, and the third beast
had a face as a man, and the fourth beast
was like a flying eagle. And the four beasts had each
of them six wings about him; and they were
full of eyes within: and they rest not day and
night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which
was, and is, and is to come. And when those beasts give glory
and honour and thanks to him that sat on the throne,
who liveth forever and ever, The four and twenty
elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that
liveth forever and ever, and cast their crowns
before the throne, saying, Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory
and honour and power: for thou hast
created all things, and for thy pleasure
they are and were created. ” James: What an
incredible scene we see here. Yvonne: Wow! Hmmm… hmmm… James: This is
an incredible scene and there are a lot of words…
word implications of events that are transpired and
changes that are taking place in Government of Heaven, impacting planet
Earth in this picture, this picture is not just all… “Let me just take you to heaven
and show you what heaven’s like” and show you what God…
where He sits and what happens around the throne, whatever,
no… as we study this, we’re going to
find that there are certain phrases and words here and the presence
of certain individuals that are telling us
a story of redemption and telling us that something
major has been accomplished and that’s why we see
this double praise to God we see the living creatures… the four beasts…
the living creatures, they are saying,
“Holy, holy, holy… ” and then we see the
24 elders, who were they? They’re saying,
“Oh, honor and glory, you are worthy to receive
glory and honor and power for you have…
what have you done?” And so, that’s what we’re
going to see here as we… as we start to break open
chapter four in Revelation. Ivor: I think… one of
the important things that… we have stressed is
location and timing… location and
timing… we saw that these… this is answer for us in
terms of the time prophecies, the 70 weeks, the
1,260… the 2,300… and the Sanctuary… in terms of
location… where are we? And so, the question that
we want to answer right now to kind of lay the foundation
for Revelation chapter four, and five and
actually six and seven, is location… where is
Jesus in Revelation chapter 4? This is an
introduction to the seven seals and so in order to rightly
understand the seven seals and what they’re talking about, we need to
understand the opening vision, and so here we see that
a throne is set in verse 1, or rather verse 2,
and the question is, “What throne is this,
where is this throne?” Look in verse 5…
the Bible says there, “And out of the throne proceeded
lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there
were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the
seven Spirits of God. ” So, we’re given a clue here as
to the location of this throne, the Bible tells us
that before the throne directly across from
the throne was this… were the seven lamps, now we know where
the seven lamps are found and the
seven-branched candlestick is found in the
Sanctuary, right? That is found in the Holy Place,
so let’s hold our place here and go over to the Book of
Exodus chapter 26 and verse 35 and in Exodus 26, verse 35, Yvonne, I’m going to ask
if you could read that for me, Exodus 26 verse 35. Yvonne: “And thou shalt
set the table without the veil, and the candlestick
over against the table on the side of the
tabernacle toward the south: and thou shalt put the
table on the north side. ” Ivor: Okay, very good, so, the Bible says that
the candlestick was located on the south
side of the Sanctuary, so directly across from that was the Table of Shewbread which is located on the
north side of the Sanctuary, or if I were to
put it another way, the Table of
Shewbread is located on the “sides of the
north. ” Yvonne: Hmmm… Ivor: The sides
of the north, okay, so let’s go over to Psalm 48 and let’s see why
that’s significant, Psalm 48 verse 2. James: What was that last verse? Ivor: That was
Exodus 26 verse 35. Ivor: So, Psalm 48
verse 2, and Jason, find that, could you read that for us? Jason: Psalm 48
verse 2, all right… “Beautiful for situation,
the joy of the whole earth, is mount Zion on
the sides of the north, the city of the great King. ” Ivor: Ah, okay, so… Mount Zion… is
said to be located where? On the sides of the
north… it is a city of… who? The great King… so
where does the King sit? He sits on the
side of the north, why is that so significant? Because if you
remember Isaiah chapter 14, which speaks about Lucifer… James: And his fall… Ivor: Where did
Lucifer want to sit? James: On the
sides of the north. Ivor: On the sides of the north,
on the mount of the congregation also think about that, what’s on the
Table of Shewbread? There are
twelve loaves of bread, those loaves of bread represented the
Children of Israel or what we would call,
“the twelve tribes… ” the congregation
of God, get that? So, the sides of the north would represent the
mount of the congregation, God’s people… and God sitting
as King over those people, this is why Lucifer wants
to sit on the side of the north but this side of the north
is located in the Holy Place, so what we’re seeing
here in Revelation chapter 4 is a vision of the
throne in the Holy Place. Now here’s why this
is super significant in the context
of the seven seals because remember we just
mentioned that this is a… Revelation 4 and 5 is revealing
to us the story of redemption, okay, so the significant thing
about the Table of Shewbread is that the Priest was to… in fact it was
Leviticus 24 verse 8 and I’ll just read
it here very quickly, it says, “Every Sabbath
shall he set it in order… ” that is the Table of Shewbread, “in order before
the Lord continually, being taken from
the children of Israel by an everlasting covenant. ” So the Table of
Shewbread was to be ministered how often?
“Ministered at… ” how often? Every Sabbath…
Leviticus 24 verse 8. The Table of
Shewbread brings our attention to the Word of God,
but even more specifically, to the Sabbath
Commandment, okay, now here’s why this
is so… so… beautiful and so, actually, important in
the context of the seven seals. It is because the
Sabbath according to Exodus 20 is a sign of Creation, God created the
world in six days and rested on the seventh, that’s why He
wants us to keep it… but there was
another reason that God gave for us keeping the Sabbath, it’s found in
Deuteronomy chapter 5, I’m going to read
that in your hearing so, Deuteronomy
chapter 5 verse 14, it says, “But the
seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD thy God, in it
thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy
son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant,
nor thy maidservant, nor thine ox, nor thine ass, nor any of thy cattle, nor thy stranger
that is within they gates; that thy manservant and thy maidservant
may rest as well as thou. And remember that
thou was a servant in the Land of Egypt,
and that the Lord thy God brought thee out
thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out
arm: therefore the LORD thy God commanded thee to
keep the Sabbath day. ” The Sabbath was a
sign… not only of Creation but also redemption, God has drawn us out
from a terrible situation, therefore, keep the Sabbath,
now why is that significant? Because as you look at the…
for example the first seal, there’s a rider
on a white horse, well, that rider
on the white horse… we will identify as Jesus Christ
but Jesus… in Revelation 19… He’s again
sitting on a white horse and His name is
called the Word of God. Yvonne: Hmmm… Ivor: In the third seal… you find a famine
of wheat and barley, guess what wheat and
barley make? They make bread… okay, in the fifth
seal you find the people are under the altar…
have been slain for what? The Word of God and the
testimony which they held, now, check this out, right between the sixth
seal and the seventh seal, you have the
introduction of the 144,000 who are sealed
with the seal of God, what is the seal of God? It’s pointing us specifically
to the Sabbath Commandment and why are they sealed
thus? Because they were… the angel says, “these were they are they who are brought
out of great tribulation, they were redeemed,
they were redeemed… ” so the whole… James: Just like in
the Old Testament… when they were redeemed…
I brought you out of Egypt, I brought you out of
bondage, here’s the 144,000… here’s this great multitude, what they… they came
out of great tribulation, they’ve been sealed. Ivor: And by-the-way,
144,000 is 12 times 12… it’s the Table of
Shewbread right there, the 24 elders… 12 and 12… everything that is unfolding
within the context of the seals, should be understood within the context of
the Table of Shewbread. So that sets the
foundation and remember, because the Table of
Shewbread unfolds simultaneously with the
seven-branched candlestick, we’re going to see that
these seals and churches basically match. James: They line
up… and another thing that’s really… that came
to me as you were talking, Ivor, is in the vision… you’re talking about
the Table of Shewbread in the mount of the
congregation… God’s throne and the shewbread… the 12
representing God’s people there, well that’s exactly the picture we see here in
Revelation chapter 4, we see a throne set
in heaven and then we see around the throne… 24 thrones it says, “seats”
in the King James but the word is,
“thrones,” thrones… 24 thrones around that throne, and this is
the… these 24 thrones, represent the people of
God, 12 and 12… twenty four… 12 and 12…
because they symbolize the Old Testament redeemed,
the New Testament redeemed and they are around the throne,
so if the throne represents this Table of Shewbread… then the thrones around
that throne will represent the mount of the congregations, so you’ve got the
symbols in the Old Testament becoming literal in this
revelation of Jesus Christ. So, let’s break that
up just a little bit more, let’s look at
that a little bit more, how do we know
that these 24 elders are actually
representative of the redeemed? Because, you know,
some people have said, “Maybe these
guys are representives of the unfallen worlds… ” well, there are a
number of reasons we know that these
represent the redeemed, okay, the first reason I
want to break down for you is the number
24… it’s 12 and 12… that is a number that signifies
the tribes and the apostles, it’s a Kingdom
number, okay, number 2, another number
reason why we know because of how
they are described, they have white robes… that was promised to
the Philadelphian church if you overcome,
they have crowns… that was promised to the church
of Smyrna, if you overcome… and they are sitting on thrones, you know what
that was promised to? “He that overcomes will
sit with me on my throne as I sit with my
Father on His throne… ” that was promised to Laodicea, so here… in other words… John… in the seven
churches… the Holy Spirit… and by-the-way,
here’s another thought that came to me as you
were talking about the Sabbath and how, God came to
minister on the Sabbath, He comes to
minister on the Sabbath, well, John was in the
Spirit on the “Lord’s Day” when the Spirit came to minister
to him and to share with him… on this island…
lonely island of Patmos… to share with him… see…
the Sabbath is a time for us to be ministered to… by God, Sabbath was a time when God
wants to answer our prayers, the Sabbath is the time
when God wants to recharge us, “Is your battery running low?
Are you running out of power?” Well, God wants to
recharge that battery, He wants to get you back
up to where you need to be, that’s what the
Sabbath is all about so the
Sabbath… John’s alone… and you can imagine…
he might be discouraged… he might be struggling… he sees what’s
coming into the churches, he sees this “falling
away” beginning to develop, he sees… men who
want the preeminence, and the Holy Spirit comes to him and ministers to
him on the Sabbath, and as God
shows him this vision, he sees these 24 elders and
all of a sudden he’s clicking, “Wait a minute…
elders… elders… elders… ” never is the word used in the Old Testament
and the New Testament, that anyone other
than human beings… angels are never called elders,
angels are never called elders when the sons of God went
before the Lord… in Job, these representatives
from other worlds… they weren’t called elders, elders are not only
representatives of us, people who’ve been redeemed,
but they also… play a part in the unfolding of
the plan of Salvation in the Book of
Revelation, there are times when John says, “One of the
elders came to me… and said… one of the elders
came to me and said… ” and those the special moments,
those are the special moments that remind us of when we
get to go to someone and say, “we… redeemed… ” we… people who are
going through the same struggles that they are going through
can go to them and say… it’s not an angel…
it’s not the Word of God… sometimes, you know,
you can witness to someone through the Word of God,
you give them all the doctrines but sometimes they just
need to hear a word from you. “How did you… what’s
your relationship with Christ, what does He mean to you?” We’re the… so those
elders represent us… and our testimony…
and then finally, I think, it’s
important… we’ll get this… into this in verse five too
but it’s important to recognize that these elders are…
are… actually spoken about in Matthew 27 and
in Ephesians chapter 4, let’s look at those two verses,
Jason, if you can read for us Matthew chapter 27 and
Yvonne if you can look up Ephesians chapter 4 and I’ll give you the verses
here as soon as I get there because I don’t have
them of the top of my head and Jason, in Matthew 27,
it’s verses… we’ll just read let’s read all the way
through verses 50 to 52 just to get the
contents, contents… content… verses 50 and 52 and then…
Yvonne, when he’s done with that you can read in
Ephesians chapter 4… you have Ephesians? Yvonne: I do… James: You do… okay… ah… read verse 10 and… yeah, verse
10… Yvonne: Okay… Jason: So, Matthew 27
verse 50 through 52 says… James: 53… Jason: Oh, so 53…
“Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice,
yielded up the ghost. And, behold, the veil of
the temple was rent in twain from the top to the
bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent; And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the
saints which slept arose. And came out of the
graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy
city, and appeared unto many. James: One things I’ll
emphasize there before you say your verse there, Yvonne,
“after His resurrection” means, “it’s permanent,” He
was resurrected permanently, so “after His resurrection”
means… “this is permanent,” they’ve been in the
grave for quite some time and they’ve been resurrected
after His resurrection, now what happens to
these guys? Yvonne, go ahead… Yvonne: Oh, Ephesians 4:10…? “He that descended is the same also that ascended up
far above all heavens, that he might fill all things. ” James: Oh, I
didn’t give you the… I didn’t give you
the full thing here, it actually
starts with… verse 8. Yvonne: Okay… James: Actually it’s
verse 8, just read verse 8. Yvonne: Eight…
James: Hmmm… hmmm… Yvonne: “Wherefore he saith,
When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive,
and gave gifts unto men. ” James: Okay… this is talking
about Jesus’ resurrection, “captivity” are that group
of people that He resurrected they were captive in
the earth… in the grave, and He led them… He
led them… he let them free and at the same time
“gave gifts unto men… ” which we could
say… is the Holy Spirit as well as the
gifts that they received but it’s… I think
primarily the Holy Spirit so, what you have taking place
here in Revelation chapter 4 is you have this picture, okay,
the throne is set in heaven, the throne is a representation
of the Government of God it’s been in
controversy, now it’s set, it’s set now, it’s
got a rainbow over it now now, a rainbow is a symbol
of God’s justice and His mercy, it’s a symbol of…
water and sunshine… two seemingly
opposites coming together justice and mercy, is
God just or is He merciful? which one? Yvonne: Both… Ivor: So, you’re saying
that perhaps there was an event on earth that basically cemented or established God’s throne and
rid the universe of any doubt as to the character
of various individuals within the great controversy
and that event would have been the cross… the death
and burial and resurrection. James: Which chapter
five is going to bring out… see, chapter four is
like Genesis chapter 1, that’s the creation story and when God gives the
creation story in Genesis one, He says… that He
made man in His image, male and female
made He them… done. So, Revelation 4 says,
“God’s throne is set… ” there are 24 elders there,
they’ve been raised, you know, captive, they’ve got thrones, they’ve got white
robes, they’ve got crowns it’s all done… chapter five tells us
“Well, how did that happen, how did the throne get set, how did the
rainbow get established, how did God’s mercy and
justice get established… how did those elders… why are they
there… how did that happen?” Chapter 5 tells us… so
chapter 5 is like Genesis 2, Genesis 2 now goes back and… goes back to the
Creation story and says now, “When God created man… He made him out of
the dust of the earth,” we came from dirt…
everybody knows that… when God created woman… ooooo, that was a
little bit different, He went to the
man… took a rib… so you get the details
there, so when we get to… so these are two
parallel chapters… they’re repeating
and enlarging within, that’s what
Revelation 4 and 5 do, Revelation 4
gives us a basic outline and what happens is… and this is… we
don’t do this enough… what happens is… is when… see it’s been…
thousands of years that this controversy
has been waging, in heaven, and it’s finally been
settled, and when it’s settled, it’s like… “YES!”
and “holy, holy, holy… ” and then the 24 elders…
they sit there and they go, “Yes, worthy is the lamb… ”
and they just start praising God this happened to me… Ivor: Not that the
controversy is going on… not that there is
war going on in heaven for thousands of years… but… James: No… no… but
there’s a controversy… there’s a question that
needs to be answered, yes, good, and so they can’t help it,
they just explode with praise, but that’s not… we’re
not done yet… Revelation 5, “And I saw in the right hand
of him that sat on the throne I saw a scroll written… ” and I… so we go
through the thing again, in a little bit more
detail as to how this happened but in chapter 4… we started
the process of understanding how God’s throne is set,
how these 24 elders got there, why did they get the things that were promised to the
churches, how did that happen? We looked at the verses
with that special resurrection we’ve seen God’s throne was set,
we’ve seen the rainbow over it, we know that these
guys are praising God, we know they’re
saying, “Holy, holy, holy… ” we know the 24
elders are praising God, the seven
spirits are still there, now, the seven spirits… have
to go out into all the earth, we’ll see this in chapter
5 but not until we finish this re-creation story, okay, Genesis 1 and 2 gives
us the creation story, Revelation 4 and 5 gives
us the re-creation story. Ivor: And remember
that… that concept that what we’re looking
at in the cycle of seven is re-creation… right, how God is… re-doing things, how God is bringing the
church into His likeness and into His image
to usher us into that… that eternal Sabbath in heaven,
and so the parallels there between the
creation week of Genesis and what’s happening
in the cycle of sevens, in the Book of Revelation
are again, very significant. James: Very significant, in
fact… in the creation week, part one, chapter one,
God rests on the Sabbath, He’s finished all His
work and rests on the Sabbath, in re-creation… when
Jesus was on the cross on Friday on the sixth day, He
said, “It is finished… ” and he rested on the Sabbath. Yvonne: Yes… yes… James: He comes
up from the grave takes the captivity captive,
takes them up into heaven, there they are… so we see, the Sabbath is a
vital part of this because even before we fell,
the Sabbath called us to rest, in everything God had
created for us… without us… there was nothing
we could point to… we couldn’t point
to that tree and say, “Hey, did you see
that tree over there…? God made the trunk,
I put on the branches, He did the leaves… I
did… ” nothing… nothing… Yvonne: Right… right… James: so even
before the fall, every… all the glory went to God…
all the glory went to God, so now, after the fall,
we have a problem with that because we want to get a
little bit of glory, don’t we? yeah, see, but see…
Jesus trod the wine press alone and the people
were not with Him, so He re-creates us, by Himself, but He does it for us. Ivor: So the Sabbath
is a sign… the seal… that, “I am the Lord
that sanctifies you… ” James: Yes… exactly… Ivor: “You don’t
sanctify yourself… I sanctify you… so if you… if you think
you can sanctify yourself… then don’t keep
the Sabbath, you know, but the Sabbath is a sign that I am the Lord
that sanctifies you. ” James: It’s
reminding you to “rest in me. ” Ivor: “It’s not
self-sanctification, it’s not self-righteousness,
I am the one that sanctifies. ” Yvonne: So for anyone who says, “Well, the Sabbath
is just for Jews… because it was given to the Jews or by Moses to the people…
” that is not the case, it was instituted at creation. Ivor: It is a sign of redemption so if you are
ever in tribulation and the Lord delivered you, He says, “I want you… I delivered you,
keep my Sabbath… ” that’s the sign
that you remember that I delivered
you out of bondage, bondage to
drugs, bondage to music, bondage to… whatever it is…
bondage to being in the world, when you are delivered,
the sign that God says, “I want you to
keep as a… as a… as in honor of
that… is the Sabbath. ” And if anyone watching
has a question about that, they can send
their video questions to: Yvonne: [email protected] org sss as in Salvation
in Symbols and Signs. James: Salvation
in Symbols and signs and this is all about
salvation in symbols and signs, it’s all about Jesus, take us out with a
word of prayer, Jason. Jason: All right…
“Dear Heavenly Father, we just want to lift you up and
praise you and thank you so much for blessing us with
all your many promises and the Sabbath and
giving us a day of rest and all the signs of
the times that you provided in Revelation which is
what we’re coming to know as a love story, thank
you for the opportunity to be here and
learning this and helping us to comprehend
what we are studying we pray this in
Jesus’ name, amen. All: “Amen… ”


6 Responses

  1. Melody Dawn

    July 22, 2017 3:59 am

    Bless you guys…. I'll have to watch this one again… one of the hardest chapters for me in 30 years…. But it still blew my mind….. God bless!

  2. heeveho

    September 16, 2017 2:52 am

    I love watching you guys. I'm gonna have to make a correction on what you said regarding the 24 elders. The 24 elders are not the redeemed from the earth. There are numerous reasons why. Let's look at revelation chapter 7 as John is having his vision one of the 24 elders ask him who are those people in white robes and he says those are the ones that went through great tribulation. Also when the angels of heaven went down to escort Jesus from the tomb the Bible shows the father sitting on the throne with the living creatures and the 24 elders. How can it be the redeemed when Jesus had not yet resurrected. The spirit of prophecy explicity lets us know that the 24 elders are Adams of the unfallen worlds.

  3. nakibinge steven

    January 21, 2018 1:14 am

    this is so inspiring ,time and location in the sanctuary as a guide to understand the Apocalypse.

  4. only truth

    June 15, 2019 11:42 pm

    SUPERB ! … This teaching took me to another level l never imagined … l keep having to say this bc l can't believe it , but these studies keep getting better and better … ALL PRAISE TO OUR CREATOR ! …


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